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every day in the valley someone will

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strange ways but it is very rare for

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seeing the same lights in the same spot

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hey guys welcome to a very special

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episode of somewhere in the skies well

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today's guest is of no surprise you did

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see his image in the featured image and

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he's right here with me today we're

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going to be talking all about the

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phoenix lights incident from 1997. now

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jason and i have a uh a connection to

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this event uh for a television show that

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you're gonna see popping up in the next

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week or so when this airs uh however

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jason has an even closer connection to

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the phoenix lights he was there when it

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happened and he saw it so guys welcome

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to this live stream today and jason

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welcome back to summer in the skies

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buddy

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oh ryan it is so fantastic to see your

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face my friend i i miss you and i am so

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excited to be here today

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thanks my man we were catching up off

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air for any of you who are new to the

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show um it is of no

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i guess mystery that jason and i are not

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only colleagues in the ufo world we are

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on a lot of stuff that's going to be

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going on in the future over at rogue

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planet and uh the future of somewhere in

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the skies and everything in between uh

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but jason this will be the final episode

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that will be taking place here for me in

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new york city before i head off to uh my

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new destination so um i couldn't think

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of a better guess to have on somewhere

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in the disguise for that my name and i'm

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going to remember this forever with it

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being your last new york city studio

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for now for now for now who knows what

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that's the exciting thing about the

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yeah yeah always finds a way to pull you

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back too um well let's say hello to some

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of the people in the chat here we've got

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luis from the unidentified celebrity

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thank you so much for this super sticker

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buddy appreciate that guys the super

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chat is open if you want to ask jason

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some questions about the phoenix lights

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or i or anything you want to talk about

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ufo related super chat super stickers

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are open great way to help the show

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grant we have here all the way from

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car i hope i'm saying that right um

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welcome guys welcome welcome welcome

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uh first time here how much i missed

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chosen falling you just tuned in at the

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beginning my man so thank you for being

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here and excuse me for calling you my

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man i have absolutely no idea who you

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are behind that name so apologies

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already what a way to start the show

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jason what a way to start the show um

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hey it can't hurt to apologize over

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apologize that's always a good good

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philosophy it's safe it's safe

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phoenix lights um i'm sure a lot of our

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with this case but uh for any of our our

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socorros and the rendoshams and stuff

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like that but uh phoenix lights is up

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what it could have been um but yeah

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the broad sweeping overview of what the

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phoenix lights was if you don't mind

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to the ufo field or ufo research has

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most likely come across the phoenix

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prompted reports all the way up

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sky people saw different things

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government officials and ultimately we

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then um but let's go ahead jason first

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talking and it was clear it was

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matter what it was everyone was freaking

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military bases nearby uh which again

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of observing something that hasn't been

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sky before so it's very exciting and

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think yes this looks very much like

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military flares because you see a

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straight line of light you see them

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popping on and off and that's usually a

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prominent explanations that was

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eventually offered by the military to

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i'm wrong but around this time you know

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in they weren't taking responsibility

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right the military and whatnot weren't

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they saying like yeah we got nothing up

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there am i correct in that

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provide any answers uh they kind of

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guys so bear with us as we kind of

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dealing with some sort of cover-up or

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whatnot but um i'm getting ahead of

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involvement with this case you were

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living in phoenix at the time and uh you

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were a part of this and again you now

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have the bragging rights to say you were

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part of one of the most famous ufo cases

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of all time so yeah give it to us man um

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what did you see said it set this up for

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us if you don't mind tell us the story

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of your sighting

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sure so this is the the quick overview

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so i was 17 at the time i was living in

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phoenix's far west valley on the other

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side of the estrella mountains

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and if you've read about this case

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you're familiar with the australia

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mountains and it's uh

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with the flare theory it's uh commonly

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brought up that the flares disappeared

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behind the mountains and sort of winked

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out and that's that's because they were

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descending like military flares do

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i was on the other side of the estrella

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mountains and what i observed and again

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i can't speak for what other people saw

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i can only speak to what i saw

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and what i saw did not descend at all

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and i was quite familiar with military

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flares i'll talk about that in a minute

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but what i saw was

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sometime during the night i i have no

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idea when this was because it was so

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long ago so i'm not going to pretend to

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i'm going to guess it was around nine

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o'clock at night i saw a series of

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lights um and i can't remember exactly

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how many lights but somewhere between

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seven and nine lights

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in either an a sweeping arc or a

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triangle formation formation in the sky

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almost directly over my head just i

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could go out into our yard stand look up

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and see the series of lights just

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suspended in the air no movement

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no sound

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no apparent change at all

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in brightness intensity

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there was no flickering nothing like

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that these lights were just stationary

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lights hanging in the sky it was crazy

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and

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resemble or in appearance to

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military flares and i know that because

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i grew up again way out in the middle of

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nowhere and to the southwest of me

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is the berry gold water test range where

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the military frequently drops these

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flares in their training exercises what

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these flares do is they illuminate the

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ground for for the a-10s flying uh it

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illuminates the ground targets so they

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can do night training

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and

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these high-intensity flares when they

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drop

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i've seen them so many times so it's

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hard for me to describe what they look

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like because i can pretty much tell just

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by looking at something that it is a

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military flair

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but these high intensity flares that

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were used

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really only have a burn time of about

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five minutes they're suspended by these

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parachutes they do kind of drift and

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burn while the magnesium or whatever

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they're composed of is burning and uh

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they kind of drift down you'll see a

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smoke trail you'll see you know like

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with chinese lanterns you see a pulsing

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of the light because there is a

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fuel cell you know something burning

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there that creates this burning effect a

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strobing effect um

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but

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what i saw was in the sky for well more

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than five minutes and it wasn't that i

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went away and maybe they dropped more

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flares in the same spot so i was

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confused i watched these things for a

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good solid 30 minutes to know that they

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were there for a long period of time

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they weren't flares they weren't at

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least no flares that we know of i mean

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these were completely stationary they

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didn't wink out they didn't uh descend

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at all they were in the sky for such a

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long period of time and again these were

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special high-intensity flares that were

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being used but they only have a burn

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time of approximately five minutes so

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for me the flare idea went out the

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window pretty quickly it's not something

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that i seriously considered at the time

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and since then you know i did serve as a

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professional full-time ufo investigator

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and journalist and during my time being

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a professional ufo investigator

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i

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that

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and

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you know to this day i i haven't been

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able to satisfactorily satisfactorily

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come up in my mind with an explanation

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for what i saw because it doesn't align

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with flares it doesn't align with other

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things and that the flare theory is also

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problematic for me because well we can

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get into the the government's

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explanation later and we can go deeper

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into that but that's essentially what i

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saw just a series of lights suspended in

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the sky no sound no motion

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no uh no apparent change at all just and

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they were there probably for 45 minutes

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i did leave at one point but when i came

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back they were gone 45 minutes later and

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then i remember seeing them on the news

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that night

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wow

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so a couple questions follow-up

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questions for you um

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was there anyone else there when you saw

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this and did it ever

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um you know cross your mind to try to

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record this thing again these are the

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two questions every ufo witness gets

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were you alone when this happened and

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why didn't you get that now today we

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live the luxury of having you know a

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camera with us 24 7. and a lot of people

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do ask that question that if we have

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this technology right now why aren't

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more people catching these things on

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film but again this is back in 97 um so

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yeah uh other people there and did it

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ever across your mind to try to record

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this

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so my family was certainly home um i

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believe they were just inside watching

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tv

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and i i seem to recall you know

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mentioning it to them because they kept

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seeing me run outside and look at them

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but you know to them it was just oh

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there are lights in the sky that's cool

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and you know i don't think they ever

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paid any attention to it or thought that

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it was something anomalous that they

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should come and experience as well um so

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no i mean for me it also wasn't like

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this urgency thing or something that i

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was like oh my god we're being attacked

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by aliens

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it to me was just more of of intrigue

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you know it was something that i'd never

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seen before i thought it was extremely

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fascinating and my mind couldn't come up

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with a logical explanation for what i

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was seeing

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and to your second question

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you bet i tried to record it

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i mean you're right it was 97 and my

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family was probably the only family i

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knew of at the time um you know and our

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friends that had a video camera and this

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was a uh

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yeah

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actually take the video camera out and

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try to record these lights so i did and

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i don't remember how long i filmed them

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or how good the footage was but yeah as

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i always say that that footage is lost

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and i've i've never been able to to

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discover it not because men in black

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stole it but because my parents probably

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recorded over the footage by you know

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recording one of my brother's soccer

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games or something so you know i i can't

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tell you how many hours i've spent

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pouring through boring family home

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videos you know looking through the

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tapes hoping that there's like a piece

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of footage there

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you know somewhere that i haven't seen

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yet but uh yeah i did i i definitely got

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it on camera i just have never been able

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to find that footage

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wow good for you man well yeah well hey

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maybe it's still good for me it tortures

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me to this day that i don't have it

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uh i know but at least you try didn't no

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um

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that was pretty so you were pretty young

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when that happened um did you have an

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interest in ufos prior to seeing this or

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was this kind of your your first

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initiation into this topic

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it was certainly my first

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kind of notable ufo sighting um i'd

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spend a lot of time in the desert i

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lived in the desert middle of the desert

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middle of nowhere so the only thing for

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me to do on weekends with my friends was

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go camping so we spent a lot of time

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camping out looking at the stars and you

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know i would see

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interesting things as you do if you just

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stare at the sky

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but my interest was always there in in

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space in astrobiology in just the the

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universe in general and the mysteries

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that come with that so you know always a

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big believer in in

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extraterrestrial life i thought that the

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universe is teaming with life and you

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know i always had that that uh that

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interest and certainly i grew up on

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sci-fi a big big star trek star wars fan

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those were the shows that i would watch

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so i had the interest but the sighting

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itself was the first major ufo sighting

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that i'd personally been involved with

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and it at the time it didn't really

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affect me that much

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again

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beside just the the intrigue that i had

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um

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you know i i'd say ufo sightings i've

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had since then have had more of a you

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know wow factor on me

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but uh yeah i mean it it didn't start my

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ufo career but it certainly kind of got

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me a little more excited about it

519
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awesome awesome i love i love hearing

520
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the origin stories you know every ufo

521
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,760
researcher seems to have one which is

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awesome i do want to point out a few

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things we got some questions for you

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jason um guys if you have questions put

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them in the chat um you can either do

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the super chat which will highlight them

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for me and you also help the show or i'm

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starring a lot of these which we'll try

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to get to at the end of the show as well

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um but some of them do have to do with

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your sighting jason but i do also want

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to add um the gentleman's

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handle that i couldn't pronounce earlier

534
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um i'm in i'm the hospice rn you and

535
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jennifer interviewed by the freeway i

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was on i-60 in tempe when the craft flew

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over my

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welcome welcome to somewhere in the sky

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is my man um i know exactly who this is

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i'm not gonna give his name because uh

541
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you will see him on television very very

542
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very soon um talking about his

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experience with the phoenix lights and

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it's one of the closest encounters with

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these lights that i've ever heard um so

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yeah yeah stay tuned for that thanks so

547
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much for being here really appreciate

548
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that um

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luis asks 1997 couldn't be wouldn't be

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too early for drone swarm tech what are

551
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jason's thoughts on that possibility

552
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,120
could we be dealing with drones with

553
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,070
again i can only speak to my personal

554
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,799
sighting but i'd say zero possibility

555
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:15,280
with that again because of the zero

556
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,640
noise uh you know certainly 97

557
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,640
i think any drones would have would have

558
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:23,039
you know made considerable noise

559
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,400
but also wouldn't have remained

560
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,559
stationary in the same spot for such an

561
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,720
extended period of time it's always

562
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,720
possible but i think that's very

563
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,080
unlikely

564
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,440
okay okay

565
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:35,919
gotcha um well let's move on with the

566
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,039
timeline of the event now once all these

567
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,760
calls started coming in and um the news

568
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,080
started covering it there was no you

569
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,640
know putting the lid back on this thing

570
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,720
it was out there hundreds and hundreds

571
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,880
of people like you mentioned saw it and

572
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,520
uh people were looking to the government

573
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:56,640
to start to you know deal with this uh

574
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:57,919
local government we're talking the

575
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,720
governor of of phoenix at the time fife

576
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,840
simonton

577
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,280
and um

578
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,200
what ended up happening and we're gonna

579
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,880
show the video i know you've seen it a

580
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,640
million times jason but for a lot of

581
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,880
people who aren't aware the governor did

582
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,679
talk about what had happened and wanted

583
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,240
to touch on that yes we're investigating

584
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,640
it and we think we found the culprit to

585
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,880
the phoenix lights so let's go ahead and

586
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:23,440
play the infamous video of fife simonton

587
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,950
a serious offense for anyone human space

588
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,120
alien or otherwise to engage in

589
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:37,120
mysterious activity in our nighttime

590
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,320
skies

591
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,320
that is why i will personally ask that

592
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,159
the perpetrator be prosecuted to the

593
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,320
fullest for the havoc wrought on our

594
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,480
entire community and now i'll ask

595
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,640
officer stein and his colleagues to

596
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,559
escort the accused into the room so that

597
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:52,799
we may all look upon the guilty party

598
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:00,710
this just goes to show that you guys are

599
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,870
ah there it is jason

600
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,640
there it is the infamous press

601
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,039
conference so um did you happen to see

602
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,720
this back in the day when it actually

603
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,320
aired live

604
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,200
i do remember seeing it yeah and and we

605
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:25,440
we do have a a special guest joining us

606
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:26,480
today

607
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,919
oh my is that the actual mask

608
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,480
what what what that explains it's it's

609
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,880
it's the it's it's the same one that was

610
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,360
not the actual one but yes the same the

611
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,840
same costume that uh five simmington's

612
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,400
chief of staff wore yeah and that that

613
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,799
is courtesy of our good friend and and

614
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,799
fellow rogue planetary maureen ellsberry

615
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,039
she got that many years ago

616
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,279
and she gifted it to me when she she

617
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,080
moved back to seattle but yeah that's

618
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:55,919
the actual one and it's sat in a storage

619
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,400
locker so arizona heat and everything

620
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,080
it's you know being this rubber mask

621
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,640
it's it's very much dried out and very

622
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,240
crumbly so i wouldn't attempt to put it

623
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,400
on right now but yeah i don't blame you

624
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,000
we won't make you do that unless we get

625
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,760
like a 200 super chat hit hint guys

626
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,880
hello

627
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,600
so yeah with with simonton and at that

628
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,000
time the phoenix lights wasn't that big

629
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,559
of a deal it was locally there was a lot

630
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,559
of buzz a lot of intrigue and people

631
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,120
asking questions and wanting answers but

632
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,279
remember this happened in march

633
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,400
and

634
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,240
it wasn't until

635
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,760
june of that same year 97 that it

636
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,159
started getting national press the usa

637
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,039
today

638
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:38,799
had a front page story about the phoenix

639
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,320
flights and so it was in june when

640
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,200
simonton held that press conference

641
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,600
okay okay yeah i remember um hearing

642
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,520
about the usa today headline and that's

643
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,279
again like you said that's when it went

644
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,039
worldwide and everyone started talking

645
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,960
about it and then i think the pressure

646
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,600
started coming on to kind of the people

647
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,200
in phoenix to explain this for the

648
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,760
military to explain this because again

649
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,440
these things were seen over the major

650
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,000
airports they were seen over the city uh

651
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,400
this could be a potential threat uh we

652
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,720
have to keep that in mind right a lot of

653
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:12,080
that credit

654
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,440
francis barwood who was a phoenix city

655
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:19,360
councilwoman at the time

656
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,400
and she's the one who during a council

657
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,200
meeting suggested that they should look

658
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,600
into this because a lot of constituents

659
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,960
were calling in

660
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,039
and saying hey we

661
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,559
what's going on here is there any

662
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,720
answers to explain this so she brought

663
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,320
it up during a council meeting and she

664
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,320
was met with ridicule and scorn and she

665
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,480
even says that a city manager came up to

666
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:42,400
her after and said you shouldn't have

667
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,520
said that

668
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:44,480
and

669
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,080
of witnesses

670
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,080
you know she took it very seriously and

671
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,720
wanted to help people find answers but

672
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,960
her colleagues uh you know and people

673
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,039
from the the governor's office

674
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,760
they kind of harassed her at work you

675
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,200
know they would

676
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,240
hang little goofy funny alien jokes you

677
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,240
know in her office and on her photo in

678
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,799
the hall and you know

679
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
tell people that they want to talk to

680
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,000
her they need to speak into the tin foil

681
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,320
and things like that i mean she was just

682
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:18,880
just made fun of because she was looking

683
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,679
into this matter seriously and you know

684
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,000
that around that time too was also five

685
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,080
symmington seemingly joking about it as

686
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,159
well so well a lot of that ridicule

687
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,960
played into uh you know

688
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,360
played as obstacles for anybody trying

689
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:35,760
to get serious uh investigation into

690
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,720
this

691
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,520
right right and you know sirius is

692
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,880
another way to look at it because a lot

693
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,720
of the witnesses they didn't think it

694
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,720
was funny that phi simonton did this

695
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,400
joke press conference which he called

696
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,960
kind of a prank on on the media because

697
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,279
the media was pushing for answers so he

698
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,919
gave him his answers and

699
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,679
the calls started flooding into francis

700
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,240
barwood again kind of the unsung hero i

701
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,039
think in the entire event that occurred

702
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,960
and kind of the um you know the hitch

703
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,200
she took i actually have some archival

704
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,520
footage from a news uh

705
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,120
segment that took place locally in

706
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,679
phoenix of um francis talking about

707
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,159
getting these calls and how

708
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,760
she perceived what

709
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,440
the governor had done at the time so

710
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,960
let's go ahead and take a look at that

711
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
um bear with me guys here make sure i

712
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,799
have the right one yeah let's hear from

713
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,640
francis barwood

714
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,919
barwood

715
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,399
uh asked for a similar investigation not

716
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,399
long ago we have her on the telephone

717
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,799
now miss barwood what's your reaction at

718
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,200
this point well i've gotten many phone

719
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,600
calls from people that are very upset

720
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,640
that this is a joke and i'm wondering

721
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,799
you know now with the confusion is he

722
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,720
really going to do an investigation or

723
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,039
was the entire thing a joke well we just

724
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,880
heard from his chief of staff that the

725
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,120
that they have um in fact asked for an

726
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,480
investigation we'll see if that turns

727
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,159
out to be a joke as well

728
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,960
uh but the investigation you called for

729
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,600
never uh panned out you got uh

730
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,720
roundly criticized for that as well

731
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,320
right and that was kind of surprising

732
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,679
because you know

733
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,120
all i did was ask for us to look into

734
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,120
what so many people saw

735
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:12,960
and to find out if one if it was

736
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,919
military and shame on them for doing it

737
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,480
uh two if it was a hoax and how did they

738
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,880
do it and three if it was something else

739
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,720
but at the very least look into it and

740
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,000
see what it was

741
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,919
do you at all feel like the governor and

742
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,159
his office were making fun of you

743
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,240
um i would hope that uh you know he

744
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,399
hasn't gone to that level

745
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,240
um i get an awful lot of that from the

746
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,640
mayor himself so i i doubt that uh

747
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,799
that's his type of sense of humor i'm

748
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880
hoping what he's done is

749
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,120
uh made you know his little joke for the

750
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,440
summer and that he will do a serious

751
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,919
investigation because to thousands of

752
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:50,399
people this is a very serious thing and

753
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,440
they're very

754
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,440
very concerned you know that nobody

755
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,120
wants to even look into it city

756
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,120
councilwoman francis barwood what are

757
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,640
callers telling you

758
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,440
well

759
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,799
a lot of things they said you know

760
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,039
what's going on he goes into the court

761
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,799
and he comes out and he changes his mind

762
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,720
and you know just a whole bunch of stuff

763
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,440
but everyone that's called me is very

764
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,320
angry

765
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,360
again

766
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,320
this local politics drama is what i live

767
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,480
for especially when it comes to a ufo

768
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,320
event so yeah well you want a little

769
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,880
more political drama with that uh yeah

770
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,559
during during that interview or during

771
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,320
the press conference i think that was

772
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:28,000
during the time when symington was

773
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,880
actually

774
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:30,960
being uh indicted for multiple counts of

775
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,640
fraud so right yep there's that too so

776
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,240
didn't he no correct me if i'm wrong

777
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,320
didn't he save a president's life or

778
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,399
something like that that's how he got it

779
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,799
he saved bill clinton's life apparently

780
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,840
uh yeah so so what happened was he was

781
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,559
he was convicted of of uh multiple

782
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,720
accounts of bank fraud or something and

783
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:52,960
that was eventually overturned but

784
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,640
before the feds could uh you know retry

785
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,440
or bring that bring the charges again um

786
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,120
bill clinton pardoned him

787
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,679
and apparently when they were kids

788
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,240
symington saved clinton from from a

789
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,039
riptide from drowning or something

790
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,880
somewhere there you go guys yeah you

791
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,399
never know when something will come back

792
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,320
to either bite you in the ass or help

793
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,880
you out so keep that in mind keep that

794
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,799
in mind for future but i i do think

795
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,120
symington gets a bad rap um and we'll

796
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,440
talk about that but uh you know for

797
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,279
people who just casually

798
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,039
look into this case and they see that

799
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,640
press conference you know all of a

800
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
sudden simmington is is vilified and

801
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,440
he's the bad guy in this whole thing

802
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,120
when actually i think he comes out

803
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,640
looking pretty good

804
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,360
right he does have a redemption story in

805
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,240
all this um well let's hop into that uh

806
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,720
so you know fife simonton clearly didn't

807
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,120
take this too seriously um he did want

808
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,559
to do this press conference to kind of

809
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,039
calm people down and hopefully just put

810
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,120
it to rest like it was clearly

811
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,600
something prosaic we might not know

812
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,000
exactly what it is but um there is an

813
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,360
explanation we're fine moving on um but

814
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,279
the people of phoenix were not ready to

815
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,679
move on they wanted answers because the

816
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:07,919
the the thing with this is people had so

817
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,640
many varying experiences with it some

818
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,480
saw it really up close some far away

819
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,240
some said that like they had this

820
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,880
instant amnesia when the event happened

821
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
um you know i've explored cases of this

822
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,440
as well where people saw ufos and

823
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,440
immediately forgot about it like within

824
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,200
seconds almost like the men in black

825
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:27,840
syndrome um or their emotions were

826
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,640
manipulated or or something like that

827
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,200
occurred and there are people um with

828
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,559
the phoenix lights who have said that

829
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,640
that happened so clearly that wasn't

830
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,360
just a balloon or a flare that did that

831
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,080
to them um is it something within them

832
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,159
their physiology their mental state

833
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,159
during the event adrenaline emotions i

834
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,559
don't know but um people were pissed

835
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,320
about this press conference francis

836
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,519
barwood eventually i believe was voted

837
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,799
out um because of the stigma behind her

838
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,960
defending this thing and keeping it

839
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,840
going um and again unsung hero of all

840
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,080
this but let's get to it fight scientist

841
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,159
his rejection before that if you for for

842
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,360
anyone who wants to hear more from

843
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,000
francis barwood uh we did have her as a

844
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,000
guest at the international ufo congress

845
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,039
i forget what year that was but there is

846
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,200
you know recording of her

847
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,519
her presentation from that event so if

848
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,279
you want to hear all about her story and

849
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,039
everything she went through during that

850
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,519
incident um you can find that that

851
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:27,120
presentation from the international ufo

852
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,880
congress yeah i believe it was 2013. um

853
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,279
i was researching it last night

854
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,880
and it's pretty emotional yeah she goes

855
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399
through her whole journey with all of

856
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,960
this and again i kind of took the hits

857
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,679
for for everybody with it unfortunately

858
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,000
but okay

859
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,360
redemption story um let's play um

860
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,480
this clip from john hook a local uh news

861
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,480
anchor very famous in phoenix i had the

862
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,399
pleasure of doing an interview with him

863
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,559
and jeremy corbell which people still

864
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,120
bring up to this day um i looked so

865
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,840
young and uh and so i'm so glad you were

866
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,600
there to do that

867
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,080
you you saved us all by me off guard

868
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,120
yeah yeah it was super fun um but uh

869
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,640
yeah so fife simonson did this really um

870
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,799
in-depth interview with john hook and

871
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,399
i'm gonna play a little bit of that now

872
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,200
and get his redemption story so he would

873
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,000
eventually come forward and admit that

874
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,399
he also was a witness to this check this

875
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:25,760
out guys

876
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,360
march 13 1997

877
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,919
this event called lights over phoenix

878
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,840
what did you see

879
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,000
well i saw a

880
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,960
huge craft just kind of come right over

881
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,880
[\h__\h] peak

882
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,000
um

883
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,440
that was you know it was just

884
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,000
breathtaking and um

885
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,760
i i'm not sure about that the day you

886
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,279
you've got a better memory for yourself

887
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,559
than i do yeah but there was no like the

888
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,880
clinton day no

889
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,389
no i was on a strict diet

890
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,320
no i'm sure i'm serious now

891
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,399
that that it was a it was a

892
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,320
unquestionably it was a ufo which means

893
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,320
unidentified flying object doesn't think

894
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,240
we're being visited well it's nothing

895
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,159
like anything i've ever seen and you're

896
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,320
an air force guy yeah yeah and a pilot

897
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,879
uh got a lot of hours flying

898
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,520
so uh it was pretty breathtaking did it

899
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,720
frighten you

900
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,679
no i no i i think i was kind of in awe

901
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,159
really you know how big

902
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,520
bigger than anything i've ever seen in

903
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:30,000
the sky like an aircraft carrier yeah

904
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,040
yeah

905
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,200
something like that you know and it was

906
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,520
hard to define because of the light

907
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200
in terms of the size but it but it was

908
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,119
absolutely silent and had sort of eerie

909
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,839
embedded lights and you know so

910
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,440
that's what i saw and i wasn't expecting

911
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,639
to see anything because i was looking

912
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,000
out over

913
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,200
at luke

914
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,280
uh to the west

915
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,560
and uh

916
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,320
and then all of a sudden these people in

917
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,919
the park uh

918
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,679
the area on the just on the west side of

919
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,760
51 there were a bunch of people there

920
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,599
everybody said look at that and we

921
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,359
turned around and this thing was coming

922
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,359
from the northwest traveling to the

923
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,119
southeast there have been so many

924
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:06,800
different sort of sightings and

925
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839
inexplicable phenomena that

926
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:11,280
you know

927
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,000
but

928
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,000
in terms of technological progress would

929
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,520
be so vast

930
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,520
that we would be i think of sort of no

931
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,440
consequence to whoever is visiting us

932
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,520
because the technology to get here would

933
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,760
be just beyond anything we could imagine

934
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,839
did it hover no it was

935
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,920
just going in a straight line slow pace

936
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,079
yes low pace yeah and then you know the

937
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,599
world was sighting there were the

938
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,440
sightings of the american west plane

939
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,880
coming into sky harbor said he could

940
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,880
have landed on it it was

941
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,640
enormous it's like an aircraft carrier

942
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:42,079
in the sky is that about as good yeah i

943
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,200
think that's i think that's a fair

944
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,480
description

945
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,829
there we go there's mr fife simonton's

946
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,920
redemption story so what did you think

947
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,400
jason when you heard that um you know

948
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,320
after making fun of this and everything

949
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,320
he now admitted to being a part of it

950
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,160
but not only that like believing this

951
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,040
was not of earthly explanation in his

952
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,040
opinion yeah what do you mean

953
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,560
yeah that was amazing when he actually

954
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,240
started talking about it and we learned

955
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,520
the backstory and the things that were

956
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,599
going on behind the scenes you know like

957
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,599
i said the knee-jerk reaction for ufo

958
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,359
researchers you know seeing the press

959
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,520
conference is thinking that uh symington

960
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,359
was making a joke of it and he didn't

961
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,240
take it seriously and all that but in

962
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,800
fact we find found out that he was

963
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,800
actively trying to get answers he was

964
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,880
pressing the air force bases and he was

965
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,119
getting stonewalled they weren't giving

966
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,880
him any answers and he was getting

967
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,800
frustrated by that

968
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,720
here he is the governor of the state

969
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,040
unable to get answers from the military

970
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,640
bases within the state

971
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,960
it was very frustrating for him and uh

972
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,440
yeah as he said he was a captain in the

973
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,440
air force a pilot

974
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,359
and he said that he'd never seen

975
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,359
anything like that before and he's also

976
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,200
in other views said that he's convinced

977
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,680
that what he saw was not from this world

978
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:57,599
you know he's james fox has interviewed

979
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,320
him on in his documentaries um in 2007

980
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,640
symington moderated the national press

981
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,200
club event that leslie kane and and

982
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,520
james fox put together so we spoke about

983
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,960
it there too um simonton's testimony you

984
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,040
know as a witness to the phoenix lights

985
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,839
has been hugely powerful and just

986
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,680
illustrates the problems of trying to

987
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,520
get answers when it comes to ufos and

988
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,680
and the difficulty

989
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,320
getting government uh bodies to talk to

990
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,720
each other and share information

991
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,119
right right exactly and you know i know

992
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,359
you've written about the phoenix lights

993
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,200
a lot back in the day when you were

994
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,920
working with open minds and um yeah

995
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,599
you've done a lot of great work on this

996
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,599
case overall and when it comes to

997
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,240
covering this case as a journalist you

998
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,040
also have to cover the skeptical side of

999
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,960
all this the theories the explanations

1000
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,040
of what the phoenix lights could have

1001
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,920
been um so i guess

1002
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,680
let's kind of fast forward a little bit

1003
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,359
to what some of those theories that have

1004
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,359
been posed jason about what the phoenix

1005
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:00,880
lights were what the military came

1006
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,000
forward and said was going on um yeah

1007
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,520
could you maybe run us through some of

1008
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,240
those theories on on exactly what

1009
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,920
this event could have been these videos

1010
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,839
that were caught later in the night i

1011
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,400
believe around like 10 ish 10 30 even

1012
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,680
though people started reporting these

1013
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,240
v-shaped craft around 8 o'clock 8 30.

1014
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,520
yeah yeah what were some of those

1015
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,280
theories posed on what the phoenix lakes

1016
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,720
were

1017
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,480
well certainly we have you know just

1018
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,880
regular planes flying in formation

1019
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,880
being a night sky it's hard to tell when

1020
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,480
things are separate

1021
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,400
individual sources of light or if

1022
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,560
they're connected to one larger craft

1023
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,480
and even the the accounts many of the

1024
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,560
accounts that talk about a singular

1025
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,359
large craft uh you know there's not a a

1026
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,480
lot of

1027
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,720
ability to determine detail other than

1028
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,240
saying well it kind of blocked out the

1029
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,800
stars or whatever um and many of them

1030
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,320
even talk about the light's changing

1031
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,880
position you know or the triangle shape

1032
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,480
with a light in front of it and a light

1033
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,000
trailing it

1034
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,680
a lot of different different stories

1035
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,280
there that you know maybe could be

1036
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,000
explained by by separate craft i i don't

1037
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,119
know but flares obviously is is the one

1038
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:06,640
that comes to mind the most because the

1039
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,160
appearance is very close to flares and

1040
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,160
it does seem from some of the videos

1041
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:14,079
that have been popularized that there

1042
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,440
were flares being dropped and that's

1043
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,119
what the military says there were

1044
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,760
exercises taking place that night and i

1045
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,520
certainly don't discount that i think

1046
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,960
certainly that could that could be the

1047
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,839
case and i know uh dr len kitai one of

1048
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,760
the leading probably the leading

1049
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,680
experts on the phoenix lights she's

1050
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,680
devoted a lot of her life to

1051
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,720
to being the go-to person for that um

1052
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,960
love love lynn and she does a great job

1053
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,960
but something that she says is and a lot

1054
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:41,520
of people repeat is that

1055
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,640
as i mentioned with my personal siding

1056
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,280
it's not uncommon to see flare drops in

1057
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,720
this area

1058
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:49,839
and

1059
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,839
dr kita uses that as a basis to say

1060
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,520
obviously people in phoenix have seen

1061
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,359
this before they would know what flares

1062
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,640
look like and that's a big jump because

1063
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,960
most people haven't seen military flares

1064
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,240
drop even in phoenix where you can see

1065
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,880
it quite frequently it the fifth largest

1066
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,720
city in the country

1067
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,240
four and a half million people or

1068
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,440
something

1069
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,800
still not everybody's going to be

1070
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,280
looking in the same spot in the sky at

1071
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,040
the same time not everybody's gonna have

1072
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,359
the same vantage points so it's not

1073
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,680
something that people

1074
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,599
immediately identify so it's always

1075
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,560
possible that many people saw flares and

1076
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,480
for the first time as we just saw in san

1077
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,800
diego right there was a big big

1078
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,440
hullabaloo in san diego this year with

1079
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,680
clear military's military flares dropped

1080
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,640
over a military testing range um you

1081
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,560
know pretty pretty clear-cut

1082
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,800
but with the phoenix lights the flare

1083
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,200
theory uh you know was heavily

1084
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,040
investigated and

1085
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,880
again with the military not offering

1086
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,280
explanation um you know until half a

1087
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,560
year later

1088
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,520
what

1089
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,440
they eventually settled on for their

1090
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,640
explanation

1091
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,920
was that

1092
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,760
the flare these these were military

1093
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,720
flares and they were dropped by a group

1094
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,400
that

1095
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,839
davis-monthan air force base in tucson

1096
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,480
which is two hours south of phoenix and

1097
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,880
they were a part of what they call

1098
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,359
project snowbird which is an arrangement

1099
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,839
they work out with with squadrons from

1100
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:21,359
other states where

1101
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,640
you know in march they're usually

1102
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,119
dealing with snow and bad weather they

1103
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,359
come to arizona for their training

1104
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,359
because we don't have those issues we

1105
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,200
just have beautiful weather all the time

1106
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,480
so

1107
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,680
that's what they identified they

1108
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,920
identified a squadron from the the

1109
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,920
maryland air national guard

1110
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,440
that was in

1111
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,160
davis mauthan air force base doing

1112
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:45,200
their training at uh the berry goldwater

1113
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,400
test range

1114
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,560
and i believe it was they claimed it was

1115
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,800
their last day of doing the exercises

1116
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,680
and before they returned to base they

1117
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,520
jettisoned all their remaining flares

1118
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,480
and went back to tucson

1119
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,240
there are a lot of problems with that

1120
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,240
number one being the the the time that

1121
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,839
they propose this happens it doesn't

1122
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,319
line up with witness accounts number two

1123
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,599
what i already mentioned about the

1124
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,680
flares and you know their five minute

1125
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,560
burn times um that clearly wasn't wasn't

1126
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,160
seen in in many of the sightings

1127
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,680
you also have the fact that

1128
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,599
i mean from what i understand and again

1129
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,680
i'm not in the military i'm not a pilot

1130
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,359
who does this type of stuff but from

1131
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,760
what i understand it's not uncommon to

1132
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,920
jettison the remaining flares before

1133
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,760
returning to base

1134
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:33,839
i think that's ridiculous because these

1135
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,040
flares are actually thousands of dollars

1136
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,480
with military spending you know

1137
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,319
government spending that apparently is

1138
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,599
not an issue but i would think they

1139
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,800
would want to keep those unless they

1140
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,480
can't be reused once they're loaded for

1141
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,200
some reason but also

1142
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,760
where these things were seen

1143
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,760
over a metropolitan area major

1144
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,160
metropolitan area and

1145
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,839
phoenix arizona

1146
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,640
march hate to tell you but we've always

1147
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,880
been in a ginormous drought everything

1148
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,920
is dry and the state would catch on fire

1149
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,760
if you're just dropping these flares you

1150
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,839
know randomly over wherever you want

1151
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,200
because i'm dumping and going back to

1152
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,680
base it's horribly irresponsible and

1153
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,200
francis bar would even touched on that

1154
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,040
it's it's sloppy it's dangerous and

1155
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:16,480
somebody should be held accountable for

1156
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,280
that

1157
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,560
but even the the pilots who participated

1158
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,599
um

1159
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,680
in that that that training that testing

1160
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,480
from the maryland air national guard

1161
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,560
didn't come forward for a long time and

1162
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,040
people saw that as a red flag

1163
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,119
however as i pointed out this really

1164
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,200
wasn't a national story

1165
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,760
it gained some momentum

1166
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,119
in june

1167
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,920
and that's when you know some calls were

1168
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,599
made that's when people started hearing

1169
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,240
about it but you know with all of the

1170
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,839
hype that was generated they certainly

1171
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,000
didn't think oh that could have been us

1172
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,280
it wasn't something they really talked

1173
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,760
about or or considered thinking maybe we

1174
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,720
should come forward and admit this so

1175
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,160
you know there are lots of excuses lots

1176
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,640
of long drawn out stories but ultimately

1177
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,800
the biggest you know being symington

1178
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,560
getting stonewalled not being able to

1179
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,480
find answers francis barwood not being

1180
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,319
able to get answers and the general

1181
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,079
public being ultimately delivered an

1182
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,160
answer that doesn't line up with the

1183
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,760
facts

1184
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,440
welcome to ufology 101. never seems to

1185
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,760
line up well um the one of the points

1186
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,000
you bring up jason is very important and

1187
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,119
that's timing now again the flares

1188
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:28,000
wouldn't last that long they would burn

1189
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,119
if they hit the ground very

1190
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,000
irresponsible uh there's so many factors

1191
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,240
that just don't line up with that with

1192
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,280
that uh explanation and also the fact

1193
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,960
that people were seeing

1194
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,000
a solid craft as they say

1195
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,560
around 8 30. now again that's

1196
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,880
you know open for speculation as well

1197
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,680
was it one solid craft was it

1198
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,079
five airplanes in a v formation we don't

1199
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,760
know uh but

1200
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,560
we were able uh through you know

1201
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,560
rigorous investigation by a lot of

1202
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,599
ufologists and people uh find what is

1203
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,880
allegedly and i do use that word very um

1204
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,200
very responsibly here allegedly

1205
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,359
the v-shaped craft that was seen that

1206
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,680
night there is a video so i do want to

1207
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,400
show that right now uh the original

1208
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,920
videographer did want to remain

1209
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,000
anonymous but i was able to obtain this

1210
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,880
through uh tom king who did that other

1211
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,200
video as well um and this is in the

1212
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,640
public forum i can't pretend that i'm

1213
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,319
the first to show this or anything but

1214
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,079
it is quite fascinating i'd love to get

1215
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,839
your thoughts jason on what this might

1216
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,400
be let's look at the v-shaped craft

1217
00:46:16,150 --> 00:45:34,800
that supposedly was over phoenix back in

1218
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:18,630
initial thoughts jason what do you think

1219
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,750
yeah it's a little disorienting i'm glad

1220
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:25,520
i wasn't watching that on full screen

1221
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:25,770
wow

1222
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,760
[Laughter]

1223
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,520
welcome to ufo videos right and

1224
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,280
especially night videos it's it's really

1225
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,599
hard to get any detail or or any points

1226
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,440
of reference or anything so it does look

1227
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,440
like points of light but other than that

1228
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,880
you know there's nothing really we can

1229
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,880
determine from that but it does look

1230
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,240
like you know something's there there

1231
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,800
are distinct points of light but

1232
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,920
yeah that's it

1233
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,839
i i find it interesting there is no

1234
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,760
sound but again that could be

1235
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,680
just they turn the sound off on the

1236
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,400
video um you know the lights didn't seem

1237
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,079
to be blinking but again we don't have

1238
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,079
any idea the distance we don't know the

1239
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,240
time the date nothing like that which

1240
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,400
makes this so horribly frustrating what

1241
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,000
if this was a natural v-shaped craft

1242
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:08,079
from the event and the same same thing

1243
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,520
with with the phoenix lights right i

1244
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,839
mean with all the videos we have

1245
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,200
it's still

1246
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,160
points of light in a nighttime sky

1247
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,480
it's almost impossible to get any sort

1248
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,480
of detail you know to be able to

1249
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,359
determine shape of craft or if it was a

1250
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,800
solid craft or what the actual

1251
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,800
you know appearance might be

1252
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,079
um

1253
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,520
you know already even even with those

1254
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,960
old cameras you're getting a lot of

1255
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,400
noise introduced there a lot of

1256
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,680
artifacts going on as the the camera's

1257
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,520
trying to to piece together what it's

1258
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,359
seeing in the in the night sky

1259
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,160
um that's that's the frustrating reality

1260
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,040
of dealing with ufo photos and videos

1261
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,839
it is it always is um well

1262
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,440
let's uh

1263
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,920
i guess backtrack just a bit no

1264
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,160
a few years ago and a lot of people put

1265
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,880
this in the chat already um talk about

1266
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,119
kurt russell talk about kurt russell um

1267
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,920
he does have a connection to the phoenix

1268
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,440
lights um

1269
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,040
let's go ahead and play the video this

1270
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,240
came from

1271
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,240
a press junket he was doing with chris

1272
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,920
pratt for i believe it was guardians of

1273
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,640
the galaxy two i think that kurt russell

1274
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,520
was in um and the topic of the phoenix

1275
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,400
lights came up by the host and um

1276
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,400
and then kurt russell just let it rip so

1277
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,000
let's go ahead and play that for the

1278
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,839
audience right now

1279
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,280
plays in arizona an unidentified pilot

1280
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,040
according to the press cuttings flying

1281
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,440
near an airport in arizona with his son

1282
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:36,160
when he spotted six lights in the night

1283
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,119
sky

1284
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,960
so he called from the airplane to air

1285
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,119
traffic control to say i'm seeing these

1286
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,920
lights here i wasn't expecting any other

1287
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,599
planes they're not supposed to be on my

1288
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,440
landing path can you tell me what's

1289
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,680
going on they said there are no other

1290
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,040
planes he said i am seeing six bright

1291
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,160
lights coming towards me mystery

1292
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,520
unresolved

1293
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,319
except oh tail

1294
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,920
number for that plane was bonanza two

1295
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,160
tango sierra and i was the pilot

1296
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:06,880
no way

1297
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,150
take this pocket i didn't say that in

1298
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,160
the briefing all right i should have

1299
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,400
read to the end yeah oliver and i were

1300
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,400
flying and i was flying him to go see

1301
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,839
his girlfriend

1302
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:22,160
and uh we were on approach

1303
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,599
and i

1304
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,400
i saw six lights over the airport an

1305
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,040
absolute uniform in a v shape

1306
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,280
and i and oliver said to me i was just

1307
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,559
looking at him and i was coming in we're

1308
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,640
maybe a half a mile out and oliver said

1309
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,040
paw do you what are those lights and i

1310
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559
and i then it kind of like came out of

1311
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,880
my reverie and and i said i don't know

1312
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,319
what they are i said

1313
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,760
he said are we okay here and i said yeah

1314
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,200
i'm gonna i'm gonna call him and i

1315
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,640
reported it

1316
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,680
and they said we're not painting

1317
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,040
anything we don't show anything i said

1318
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,800
well okay i'm

1319
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,040
i'm gonna declare it's unidentified it's

1320
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:55,920
flying and it's six objects

1321
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:56,839
we

1322
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:00,720
landed i taxied dropped him off

1323
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,160
took off went back to l.a

1324
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,240
never said a word he never said a word i

1325
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,920
never thought of it two years later

1326
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,559
goldie is watching a television show

1327
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,559
when i came home

1328
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,839
and the show is on ufos but as i'm i'm i

1329
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,280
came home hey honey how's it going and

1330
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,119
i'm kind of hearing this the tv going i

1331
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,559
stopped and i started watching and it

1332
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,599
was on

1333
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,480
that event now that was the most um

1334
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,880
that was the most viewed ufo event over

1335
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,119
20 000 people saw that

1336
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,559
and i'm watching this

1337
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400
and i i'm feeling like

1338
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,720
uh richard dreyfuss

1339
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,640
in in close encounter the third account

1340
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,480
it's like why why do i know this you

1341
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,839
know one and it's not clear to me

1342
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,280
and

1343
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,640
finally i said

1344
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,800
then they said the pilot reported it a

1345
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,400
general aviation pilot reported on

1346
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,680
landing

1347
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,599
i'd never thought of it since then and i

1348
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,680
said

1349
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,480
that was me i that was me

1350
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,240
and i said wait a minute i'll go to my

1351
00:51:03,910 --> 00:50:59,839
logbooks

1352
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,920
the flight at that time and i didn't

1353
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,440
mention anything about the ufo the

1354
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,760
fascinating part of that to me is that

1355
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,319
it would just went literally out of my

1356
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,839
head yeah and oliver never mentioned it

1357
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,440
and had i not seen that show i'd never

1358
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:16,640
thought of it again

1359
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,190
there we go kurt russell possibly was

1360
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,880
the first you know civilian pilot to

1361
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,720
report this thing what'd you think when

1362
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,880
you first heard about this man well it's

1363
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,559
pretty cool and i i love the response

1364
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,400
too because that's

1365
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,520
kind of the response that a lot of

1366
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,520
people have with ufo sightings you know

1367
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:39,040
you see something like like i did you

1368
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,079
see something you kind of scratch your

1369
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,640
head you're you're confounded by it but

1370
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:44,400
uh later when you hear about it you're

1371
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,599
all oh yeah i did i did uh see that hmm

1372
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,760
other people saw it too interesting and

1373
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,760
i love how goldie hahn was just watching

1374
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,760
tv watching a ufo show and he said wait

1375
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,800
a second

1376
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,200
randomly i i'm guessing it was probably

1377
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
like one of james fox's uh documentaries

1378
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,480
or something possibly but yeah and then

1379
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,800
the other weird thing he says at the end

1380
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,680
is that he didn't log the ufo when he

1381
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,559
put it in his journal there um and that

1382
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,800
he doesn't know why he didn't again that

1383
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,720
kind of harkens back to this idea of

1384
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,960
whatever these things were it made

1385
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,440
people almost forget it immediately now

1386
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,359
again we're not here to discuss the woo

1387
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:24,000
factor of all this but it does have to

1388
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,880
uh

1389
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,040
be posed a theory that whatever these

1390
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,040
things were in phoenix

1391
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,240
uh was able to mess with people or again

1392
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,960
like you always say memory is faulty we

1393
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,480
can't trust it when it comes to these

1394
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
things and um and we truly don't know

1395
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,280
what what's going on so i thought that

1396
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,599
was a cool little tidbit to add in there

1397
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,200
that kurt russell was a part of the

1398
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,319
phoenix lights incident especially

1399
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,480
that's the fun thing about historical

1400
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,720
cases you know over the years we always

1401
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,160
get these little nuggets that add

1402
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,640
something new to it and keeps it alive

1403
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,040
and keeps uh introduces it to new people

1404
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,040
and helps new people get involved in the

1405
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,119
investigation process

1406
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,520
absolutely absolutely you know and um

1407
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:07,119
we've had a lot of celebrities come

1408
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,880
forward russell crowe saw ufo um what's

1409
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,880
that dude machine gun kelly uh the list

1410
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,680
goes on um what's uh

1411
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,599
the guy who went out to skinwalker ranch

1412
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,720
as well the rapper there um

1413
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,720
oh yeah post malone postman

1414
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,359
there we go yeah yeah man crazy crazy

1415
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,520
the uh the way this topic has exploded

1416
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:30,319
into the mainstream like never before um

1417
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,119
well

1418
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,880
all right so we kind of run through the

1419
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,880
theories of what the phoenix lights were

1420
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,440
and um weren't and and the timeline of

1421
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,400
events

1422
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,000
so how does

1423
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,240
in your opinion jason uh living in

1424
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,119
phoenix how does the city embrace

1425
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,800
this event you know in roswell they have

1426
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,359
a festival every year um same with a lot

1427
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,880
of other small towns that have had

1428
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,680
famous ufo sightings um what is kind of

1429
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,480
the the overall consensus in phoenix

1430
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,960
of this event has it hurt the town has

1431
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,880
it helped um yeah what are your thoughts

1432
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,040
on that as a resident

1433
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:05,200
there's not a whole lot here

1434
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,400
about the phoenix lights you know it's a

1435
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,000
lot of people again fifth largest city

1436
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,440
in the country so we've got millions of

1437
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,640
people kind of doing their own thing

1438
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:14,079
there is

1439
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:14,880
a

1440
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,040
somebody who did

1441
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,040
certainly with with this topic opening

1442
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,520
up is a an acceptable conversation to

1443
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,359
have with people an acceptable topic to

1444
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,040
talk about people are more and more

1445
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,640
willing to to

1446
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,640
you know stand up and say yeah i saw

1447
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,760
that too pretty cool but it's just kind

1448
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,760
of accepted here that it happened it was

1449
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,640
cool

1450
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,480
but we don't we don't brag about it like

1451
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,720
like roswell does i feel like that

1452
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,000
should be fixed

1453
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,359
yeah yeah you guys are a bit more

1454
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,119
reserved well there we should mention i

1455
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,280
believe it's the heritage center in

1456
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,599
phoenix does have like a small exhibit

1457
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,040
um that you can walk through and see the

1458
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,960
timeline of the events the photos taking

1459
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,960
the videos uh which is really cool i had

1460
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,799
the the opportunity to walk through that

1461
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,520
with uh dr lin kitai one of the original

1462
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,640
videographers of the phoenix flights

1463
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
of information yeah one of the coolest

1464
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,000
things that you know related to the

1465
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,839
phoenix lights here is

1466
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,079
you know credit to lynn kitai because

1467
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,920
she does every year

1468
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,240
host a screening of her documentary

1469
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,480
about the phoenix lights and always has

1470
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,559
special guests come and you know speak

1471
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,040
before or after the showing

1472
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,880
it's a pretty cool event and she she

1473
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,400
keeps that going and new witnesses come

1474
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,920
forward new information comes out and

1475
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,640
she she updates the film she updates her

1476
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,359
website so that's always interesting and

1477
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,200
you know phi simmington i think has been

1478
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,040
there but he certainly was was a guest

1479
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,520
at the international ufo congress

1480
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,760
last year the year before i believe but

1481
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,839
yeah i mean she she keeps it alive keeps

1482
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:04,880
it going and and you know i think will

1483
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,079
do more to uh you know have more of a

1484
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,640
presence here in phoenix not on the

1485
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,680
scale of a roswell ufo festival but you

1486
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,040
know little things like that with

1487
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,799
exhibits and things like that to help

1488
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:18,480
people understand the details of the

1489
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,319
case because as with most ufo cases even

1490
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,880
monsters like roswell most people in the

1491
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,799
general public and even within the ufo

1492
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,359
community only know a little bit of the

1493
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,280
uh the the information just a few bits

1494
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,960
and pieces here and there because you

1495
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,559
and i like to always say ryan it's

1496
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,480
fascinating when we speak at

1497
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:38,240
conferences and comic cons and things

1498
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,200
like that

1499
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,280
how

1500
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,119
common it is for people to come up and

1501
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,119
and talk about things like roswell but

1502
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,000
not even know where roswell is or they

1503
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,520
think roswell's the same thing as area

1504
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,240
51. things like that so a lot of the a

1505
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:54,000
lot of the details you know are lost on

1506
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,359
people and that's understandable because

1507
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,119
people aren't diving in and researching

1508
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,599
ufos they're just casually interested in

1509
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,599
something strange that happened

1510
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,760
absolutely and i think one of the things

1511
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,240
that you and i are a huge advocate of is

1512
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,280
uh getting the younger public interested

1513
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,760
in this topic in the case history you

1514
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,839
know so many people probably in the chat

1515
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:15,599
here as well uh

1516
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,040
have you know admittedly said i just got

1517
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,119
into ufos back when the new york times

1518
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,200
article came out and the navy videos

1519
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:24,960
came out like i know i have a lot of

1520
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
catching up to do uh and that's cool

1521
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,319
same with uh luis elizondo the former

1522
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,640
head of the pentagon ufo program he

1523
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,880
admits that like yeah i didn't i know

1524
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,119
the history of a lot of this stuff i was

1525
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:39,520
tasked at looking at cases happening

1526
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,960
when i was working there um but i think

1527
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,880
again it's important to get the younger

1528
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,599
people uh involved and interested and

1529
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,079
know what has come before these navy ufo

1530
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,480
videos and and the phoenix lights is one

1531
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,400
of those and what we do over at

1532
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,559
mysteries decoded the television show on

1533
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,440
the cw is introduce these cases to a

1534
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,880
younger generation that's never heard of

1535
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,400
roswell never heard of the phoenix

1536
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,400
lights and uh you

1537
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,079
actually are going to be making an

1538
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,319
appearance on an upcoming episode of

1539
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:10,640
mysteries decoded it's going to air guys

1540
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,400
august 24th uh on the cw and we've got a

1541
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,440
little bit of a i guess back

1542
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,839
backstage uh look at some of the stuff

1543
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,440
that's going to be going on there's me

1544
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,640
with link ketai um there's jason me and

1545
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,640
jennifer marshall my investigative

1546
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,799
partner at mysteries decoded

1547
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,119
tom king down there in the bottom

1548
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,440
looking at his amazing cameras he has

1549
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,280
set up trained on the skies of phoenix

1550
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,079
constantly dude's got like a whole hq

1551
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:39,680
there we got to go visit him at his

1552
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,799
house he also has a life-sized um

1553
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,960
not r2d2 but one of the droids from star

1554
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,040
wars that he built from scratch which

1555
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,240
was the coolest thing ever oh my god um

1556
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,319
we got some of lincoln ty's photos there

1557
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,200
of the phoenix lights and um two

1558
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,880
gentlemen i just want to touch on here

1559
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,000
as well

1560
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:00,480
are at the bottom there clifford mahou

1561
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,760
zuni tri builder in phoenix who actually

1562
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,160
i got the immense pleasure of hiking up

1563
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,000
in the mountains in phoenix to look at

1564
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,799
some petroglyphs of what is claimed to

1565
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,680
be the star people and um their possible

1566
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:14,880
connection to the phoenix lights

1567
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:17,839
incident as well we did lose clifford uh

1568
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,640
not too long ago unfortunately um so

1569
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,480
again it was such an honor to get to

1570
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,319
finally meet him and and hike the

1571
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,960
mountains and dude this guy had like a

1572
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,119
kidney transplant i think maybe six

1573
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,799
months before i hiked this mountain with

1574
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,119
him and he beat me up there so that

1575
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,880
tells you a lot right there cliff was a

1576
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,240
badass

1577
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,160
he really was he really was and again

1578
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:40,240
sweetheart and a sweetheart is is he

1579
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,440
going to be in the episode do you know

1580
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:42,640
for sure

1581
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,400
yes um i have seen her uh

1582
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,040
he made it in there um we do dive deep

1583
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,119
into the native american aspect to the

1584
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,720
ufo phenomenon and its possible

1585
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,640
connection to the phoenix lights um i

1586
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,400
won't give away too much on that that

1587
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,160
side of it but i do think there might be

1588
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,000
something to be said about it um and

1589
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,760
then the last image i want to touch on

1590
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,440
in this upcoming episode of mystery

1591
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,079
dakota is you only see the back of him

1592
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,880
but up there we have um a pilot who

1593
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:10,799
jennifer and i had the pleasure of

1594
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,319
interviewing um he i don't know they

1595
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,319
might show his face they might not he

1596
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,839
did want to remain anonymous when we

1597
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,359
interviewed him that might have changed

1598
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,200
once the episode airs so you guys will

1599
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,359
have to check that out but he was a

1600
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,839
pilot and did witness the phoenix lights

1601
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,000
that night um so we're going to get his

1602
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,000
side of the event what he thinks it

1603
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,079
could have been could have not been and

1604
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,480
everything in between so um wanted to

1605
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,000
show that little image of him there to

1606
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,160
tease you guys but yeah the episode is

1607
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,400
going to premiere august 24th on the cw

1608
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,799
guys check your local listings for that

1609
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,480
um we are going to revisit the phoenix

1610
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,799
lights like never before and jason will

1611
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,280
be featured in that episode as well it

1612
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,520
was such a pleasure buddy meeting you up

1613
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,280
there um which mountain was that that we

1614
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:54,960
were on it was south mountain

1615
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,200
south mountain yeah it was fun being up

1616
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,559
there you get a bird's-eye view of the

1617
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,440
city it was awesome ah so beautiful and

1618
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,760
in the reason that jennifer

1619
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,280
jennifer and i were

1620
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:06,960
reinvestigating against the phoenix

1621
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,440
lights is because there were recent

1622
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,400
sightings

1623
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,559
of the same sort of phenomena happening

1624
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,640
in the area i believe it was you know

1625
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,359
just a couple years ago um but again it

1626
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,559
could have been anything but we thought

1627
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,200
it was worth reopening the investigation

1628
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,880
and connecting it to what these lights

1629
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,400
could have been recently

1630
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:26,960
in phoenix so yeah yeah definitely check

1631
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,599
that out guys if you can um

1632
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,440
that's kind of in my man in terms of the

1633
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,960
phoenix lights but we do have some

1634
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:34,240
listener questions here if you're

1635
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,520
willing to stick around for just a

1636
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,280
little bit um for some of these what do

1637
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:39,280
you think what do you say

1638
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,960
awesome um

1639
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,880
let's see here

1640
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,359
uh this is an interesting one austin

1641
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,280
asks jason have you since encountered

1642
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,839
any story of evidence that beat your own

1643
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,319
experience um yeah what i guess any

1644
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,920
cases that really stick out to you that

1645
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,760
you've personally looked into that

1646
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:56,720
really

1647
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,710
well like i said i mean for me with with

1648
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,680
in terms of the phoenix lights

1649
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,680
it didn't really

1650
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,079
impact me that much at the time

1651
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,160
you know aside from

1652
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,520
lights in the sky that shouldn't really

1653
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,680
be there and you know kind of confused

1654
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,119
me

1655
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,880
i think many other witnesses at the

1656
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,400
phoenix lights have far more exciting

1657
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,400
stories than i do

1658
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,720
but in terms of other other sightings

1659
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,720
i've had personally i mean i i think

1660
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:31,039
many of the the craft or objects i've

1661
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:32,079
i've seen

1662
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,520
you know and i told you this on the show

1663
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,440
before ryan but i've

1664
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,520
lost count of the ufos i've seen and

1665
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,520
when i say ufo meaning things in the sky

1666
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,880
that i haven't

1667
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,480
ever been able to to come up with a

1668
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,000
satisfactory

1669
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,039
explanation for um

1670
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,680
i say about a dozen dozen ufos and

1671
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,359
several of those have been you know

1672
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,839
strange strange shapes low hanging in

1673
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,640
the sky from rectangles to even like a

1674
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:59,200
hexagon just some some weird weird

1675
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,039
things that again you know don't make

1676
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,720
sense in my mind they don't belong where

1677
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,319
i saw them

1678
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:05,839
so

1679
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,319
substitute for when it comes to ufos

1680
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,960
like your own experience really is the

1681
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,640
best evidence that you can have because

1682
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,760
you can see

1683
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,440
all the photos and all the videos and

1684
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:22,240
hear all the incredible stories but you

1685
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,520
weren't there

1686
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:26,000
you don't know what this person saw and

1687
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,039
you

1688
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,440
didn't experience what they experienced

1689
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,440
i can look at a photo and say yeah that

1690
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,280
looks like this that's most likely what

1691
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,319
it was but i wasn't there i didn't see

1692
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,920
it they were they have their own

1693
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,400
experiences so to equate uh you know

1694
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:42,079
levels of

1695
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:42,839
you

1696
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,319
know evidentiary value or credibility or

1697
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,440
or something that's more wow factor um

1698
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,079
and being in ufo so long i i've seen so

1699
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,920
many more things that are

1700
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,520
far surpass anything that i've

1701
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,440
experienced personally

1702
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,440
that's fair man yep yep and like you

1703
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,280
said we weren't there when it happened

1704
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,039
so we can't really

1705
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,359
have a final determination of what the

1706
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,799
phoenix lights were what these things

1707
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,880
you were sawing what thousands of people

1708
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,799
all over the world are seeing on a daily

1709
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,960
basis um and other people have video of

1710
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,119
the phoenix lights where's my

1711
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:17,119
video footage

1712
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,400
is of you

1713
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,799
playing baseball or something probably

1714
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,319
right

1715
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,079
it's probably my my little my brothers

1716
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,319
were were little and and very much

1717
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:28,079
involved in sports all the time soccer

1718
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,200
and baseball so it's probably one of

1719
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,680
their games that recorded over it ah

1720
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,440
damn but as i said i mean that's why i

1721
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:35,359
scanned that footage hoping for like a

1722
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:38,079
cut you know between stop and record

1723
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,280
where i could have a flash of the

1724
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,799
phoenix lights that i could get a a

1725
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,160
still from but

1726
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,720
that's lost forever man it's lost i'll

1727
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,319
last i just gotta let it go

1728
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,559
just let it go crash bob squarepants

1729
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,400
some people said they received a message

1730
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,880
this is only a demonstration uh did you

1731
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
get anything similar jason um now this

1732
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,440
is another theory we didn't touch on

1733
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,119
with phoenix lights is this idea that

1734
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:01,920
maybe this was some sort of uh stealth

1735
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:04,240
craft or or balloon

1736
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:05,920
low altitude thing that they were

1737
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,559
testing and they wanted to see how many

1738
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,039
people would report this thing um right

1739
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,599
and test it out and you know once it got

1740
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,119
on the news and everything

1741
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,599
everyone was saying they saw it um do

1742
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,119
you think this could have been some sort

1743
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,119
of test that they were trying to see how

1744
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,039
the public would react to it or how many

1745
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,039
people would actually see this stealth

1746
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,880
craft again we're talking mid 90s this

1747
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,359
was the height of you know the bombers

1748
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,760
and the stealth technology really coming

1749
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,000
to light for the public at least it was

1750
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,160
probably being tested much earlier than

1751
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:38,240
that as we always hear that thing um

1752
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,440
what do you think about this all being

1753
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,319
some sort of test on the public

1754
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,520
you know

1755
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,839
in this field you learn to consider all

1756
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,280
possibilities and that's certainly one

1757
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,359
of them you know i can't rule that out

1758
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,480
um

1759
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,039
it might seem far-fetched but

1760
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,799
you know the government and the military

1761
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,280
has conducted testing on the public

1762
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,440
before and you know we could posit that

1763
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,160
same same possibility with like the tic

1764
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,160
tac video and all that stuff you know

1765
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,839
where were

1766
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,599
they actually testing

1767
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,039
their own soldiers

1768
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,520
their own pilots to see if they would

1769
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,760
release this information you know how

1770
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,000
well they would follow protocol

1771
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:18,319
uh you know what information would get

1772
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,359
leaked

1773
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:22,079
you know we can speculate all day but uh

1774
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,440
you know with the phoenix lights yeah i

1775
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,039
mean i i heard that a lot from a lot of

1776
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,039
people who have talked about this and i

1777
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:29,039
could even convince myself that you know

1778
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,799
something was

1779
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,440
forcing me to go out and observe this

1780
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,240
thing because i i did have this impulse

1781
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:39,039
to continually continuously look at it

1782
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,789
i don't think that's likely

1783
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,119
just because you know that that is a

1784
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,680
stretch i think many many many many many

1785
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,240
other things are are more likely

1786
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,359
a possibility than that but i certainly

1787
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,119
entertain it

1788
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,960
that's fair my man um

1789
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,119
well let's move on to our final listener

1790
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,839
questions here with more current things

1791
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,160
going on in the ufo world it's been a a

1792
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:10,480
while since you and i have caught up um

1793
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,400
let's start with

1794
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:14,559
lou over at ucr he asks can't wait to

1795
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,240
hear jason's thoughts on the calvin

1796
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,559
photo now this is a

1797
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,680
case out of scotland uh my new homeland

1798
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,559
very very soon um of an event that

1799
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,480
happened that was supposedly

1800
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:28,799
investigated at least the photos were by

1801
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,000
the ministry of defense they were uh you

1802
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:35,119
know held lock and key for almost 32

1803
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,640
years they were supposed to be

1804
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,799
classified for another i don't know 40

1805
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,200
50 years something like that but

1806
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,440
apparently they finally

1807
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,280
were released to the public our friends

1808
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:46,880
over at the uh

1809
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,319
at uap media uk uh were able to obtain

1810
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,440
some of the

1811
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,520
original photos from the calvine event

1812
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,960
so jason what are your thoughts on the

1813
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,440
whole calvin ufo incident and this

1814
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,599
recent photo that finally came forward

1815
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,400
to

1816
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,280
i don't know demystify or i guess even

1817
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,000
mystify more this event what are your

1818
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,680
thoughts on the whole calvin ufo

1819
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,760
incident making the rounds right now

1820
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,920
yeah sure so i mean it's cool we finally

1821
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,640
see this and you know despite all of the

1822
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,199
hype we have to remember that

1823
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,359
you know this is still just a a photo

1824
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,159
with sort of a dubious background and uh

1825
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,120
questionable witnesses but

1826
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,560
the biggest thing that makes this

1827
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,400
exciting is because

1828
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,719
we do have some mod involvement we do

1829
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,199
have some

1830
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,359
alleged photo analysis that was done on

1831
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:38,400
this by officials and we have the

1832
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,520
mystery of them withholding the release

1833
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,239
of the originals for many many years to

1834
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:45,839
come

1835
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,640
it certainly wasn't classified and

1836
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,640
you know the information that the photos

1837
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,080
didn't belong to the government they

1838
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,520
were belong to the photographers who

1839
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,440
tried to sell them to a newspaper

1840
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,279
and when that didn't happen they kind of

1841
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:59,199
went dark but and they were also

1842
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,640
poachers so i mean we have a lot of red

1843
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,000
flags with the witnesses and the fact

1844
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,359
that they can't be tracked down we can't

1845
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,960
ask any more questions we can't

1846
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,040
definitively know where the photos were

1847
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,640
taken because

1848
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,719
the camera they use you know we don't

1849
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,400
have access to that

1850
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,120
we don't have geo location tagged to

1851
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,960
that because it was a film

1852
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,839
film camera

1853
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,440
um lots of interesting things about this

1854
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:22,640
so

1855
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:25,600
as i pointed out the ufo world is filled

1856
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,400
with

1857
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,480
infinite numbers of ufo photos and

1858
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,239
videos that are worlds better than this

1859
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,759
in terms of quality and detail and

1860
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,159
things like that so calling it the the

1861
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,279
world's best ufo photo ever is is uh

1862
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,080
subjective and a stretch in my mind but

1863
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,000
it is cool and we've got a backstory to

1864
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,319
it we've got some details from some

1865
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:46,319
investigation that was done

1866
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,440
years ago

1867
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,600
we can't validate any of that we can't

1868
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:51,920
talk anymore to the witnesses to really

1869
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,839
know for certain where this photo was

1870
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,080
taken what the conditions were

1871
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,480
um it's hard to tell and again you'll

1872
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,920
you'll experience this soon ryan but

1873
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,560
nine o'clock at night is is still still

1874
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:05,199
pretty bright in scotland in august it

1875
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,239
can be

1876
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,600
um but you know there's also all sorts

1877
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,360
of things that happen there weather-wise

1878
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,199
like cloud inversions and i know that

1879
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,280
sounds like swamp gas but these are real

1880
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:17,040
things that we have to deal with in the

1881
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,800
ufo world when we're looking at photos

1882
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,400
and videos

1883
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,880
plenty of theories posited here with

1884
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,960
reflections and things like that people

1885
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,880
point out oh there's no water there but

1886
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,120
again we're relying on old testimony

1887
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,440
from people that we can't track down

1888
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,640
um

1889
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,199
we don't know 100 for sure where this

1890
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:37,440
photo was taken so there are nearby

1891
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,320
locks

1892
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,520
um there are bodies of water there are

1893
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,920
bodies of water in that area that that

1894
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,840
do change they

1895
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,239
are man-made reservoirs basically that

1896
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,159
raise and lower depending on the time of

1897
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,640
the year so just a lot of unanswered

1898
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,239
things with this photo i love all the

1899
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,159
sleuthing that's happening all of the

1900
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,560
the different different hypotheses being

1901
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,560
being brought forward and just just

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01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,400
rigorous testing but i will point out i

1903
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,199
do love the kind of silliness of of the

1904
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,840
ufo world when looking at this because i

1905
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,840
don't know about you but when you went

1906
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,360
to the story

1907
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:13,280
where these guys broke and provided this

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01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,560
photo to us

1909
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,199
the image clearly said

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01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,600
not for for for any other use don't

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01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:22,159
repurpose this don't uh you know modify

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01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,600
it don't use it without getting

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permission first

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01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:27,520
first thing everybody did was you know

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01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,719
do their

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01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:30,560
artificial intelligence

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01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:33,040
uh you know zooming and cropping and

1918
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,320
trying to get a better look at this

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01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,679
thing while

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01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,560
you know

1921
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,239
thinking that that told us anything

1922
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,480
about this blurry photo it's just

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01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,080
enhanced the artifacts and stuff that

1924
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,400
are already there and the ai models uh

1925
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,239
you know just compound the the problems

1926
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,159
there um

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01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,080
i i i'm watching this like everybody

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01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,080
else i mean all i can do and all anybody

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01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,760
else can do is offer our personal

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opinions and

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01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:57,360
you know based on my experience and what

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01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,679
i've seen in other photos

1933
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,960
you know we're not going to be able to

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01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,719
determine anything from this photo

1935
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,280
really you can spin it you know to fit

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01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,159
any sort of narrative you want

1937
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,000
you can turn it upside down you can

1938
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,560
highlight this and highlight that and

1939
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,320
you know until we know exactly where

1940
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,560
this was shot we don't really have much

1941
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,239
more to go on

1942
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:20,000
that plane looks so weird to me by the

1943
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,280
way

1944
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,440
how the the wings

1945
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,600
so i just don't understand how that

1946
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,840
would even fly but i don't know yeah

1947
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:30,080
it's it's very confusing to me um

1948
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,360
certainly not something i would call the

1949
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,679
best ufo photo ever

1950
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,239
but uh good old nick pope help type that

1951
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,800
up but uh yeah it is an interesting one

1952
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,640
it's interesting to see just how it's

1953
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,120
blown up and i don't know i mean my

1954
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,800
personal opinion is it kind of makes the

1955
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,679
ufo research community look bad in a way

1956
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,360
because again

1957
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,960
it's not really that spectacular of a

1958
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,560
photo it's very grainy we don't have the

1959
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,000
details we don't have first generation

1960
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,159
copies um

1961
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,159
we don't even have the witnesses

1962
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,440
and the photographer to talk to so it's

1963
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:03,920
just yet another photo on the pile of

1964
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,480
billions of photos we already have and

1965
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,480
as alejandro rojos and i've been talking

1966
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:10,080
about our days back at open minds you

1967
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:11,120
know we had

1968
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,159
uh

1969
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,880
wendell stevens entire photo archive and

1970
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,040
we would go through and and you know to

1971
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,120
look at hundreds of photos that were

1972
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,040
worlds better than that i mean a lot of

1973
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:22,960
them looked like hoax photos others were

1974
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,080
very mysterious um had a lot of detail

1975
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,600
with them about the investigation that

1976
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,760
was conducted uh certainly ones that i

1977
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,640
would put up as best ufo photo ever or

1978
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,280
certainly a good ufo photo over this

1979
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,000
photo any day but again it is nice that

1980
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,159
and that's the power of the ufo research

1981
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,120
community and social media is just that

1982
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,920
crowd sourcing of trying to track things

1983
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,000
down trying to get more answers because

1984
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,840
at this point we don't have very much

1985
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,440
information to work on

1986
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,760
or work with and that is the case with

1987
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,159
most things in ufos

1988
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,920
absolutely man yep couldn't put it

1989
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,520
better myself the

1990
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:01,679
case remains open as it does with the

1991
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,719
phoenix lights as well um bringing us up

1992
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,440
to really current our last kind of start

1993
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,199
question here jason

1994
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:11,199
uh i know it's not the lights but did

1995
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,480
you hear about the spheres that are

1996
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,280
going to be featured on sunday on abc

1997
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,280
news i didn't i didn't know about this

1998
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,640
either i know there's going to be a new

1999
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,719
special documentary coming out over in

2000
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,760
australia 7 news now and ross colthardt

2001
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,679
are going to be looking into ufos again

2002
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:28,000
but yeah are you familiar with this this

2003
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,600
abc news broadcast that's going to be

2004
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,520
going on or what's going on i don't

2005
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,040
think so i saw something recently about

2006
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:34,960
spears but i i think that was probably

2007
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:39,120
tied to the the ross bit but yeah okay

2008
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,880
not i'm not aware either interesting

2009
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,120
well if something drops this week just

2010
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:45,199
more to talk about and more to catch up

2011
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,000
on

2012
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,960
yeah that'll be cool um well hey my man

2013
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,199
thank you so much for you know sharing

2014
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:52,719
your personal sighting with us at the

2015
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,440
phoenix lights um i think it's so cool

2016
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,199
to meet someone that was actually there

2017
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,520
when this famous event happened and you

2018
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,040
have your own side to it your own

2019
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,719
thoughts your own theories so do

2020
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,280
hundreds of other witnesses who saw that

2021
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,679
and um i i think it's cool that we got

2022
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,120
kind of the um

2023
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:11,520
i guess the insider's view of it if you

2024
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,560
will um but yeah what else is going on

2025
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,800
in your world of ufos are you working on

2026
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,280
anything over at rogue planet um i

2027
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,000
should stress that i am wearing the

2028
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,719
unknown t-shirt for your ufo podcast

2029
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,520
that i have the pleasure of um being on

2030
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,880
every now and again with you guys over

2031
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,560
there awesome but yeah yeah what's

2032
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,560
what's going on in your world of ufos

2033
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,560
what can we yeah so so once you get

2034
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:36,800
settled in your new home uh across the

2035
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,679
pond we're we're going to be uh plotting

2036
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,800
and scheming so got a got a project that

2037
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:45,040
uh working on right now for rug planet

2038
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,480
that's going to

2039
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:47,520
be

2040
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:48,400
a

2041
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,920
project so um no promises no no timeline

2042
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,360
there but it's it's something that's in

2043
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,760
the works that is going to be ufo

2044
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:59,120
related for sure

2045
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,400
um still working on my my next book

2046
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,400
life gets in the way and it's been slow

2047
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,320
going but i'm probably about halfway

2048
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,400
through with my next book i know that

2049
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:10,960
we're working on that but uh yeah

2050
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,040
with rogue planet we're going to uh be

2051
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,600
looking at getting back to doing regular

2052
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,520
ufo happy hour episodes where we can

2053
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,920
discuss you know current topics um just

2054
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,920
kind of in an informal setting and and

2055
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:23,679
uh you know riff and and get each

2056
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,760
other's thoughts and opinions on on

2057
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:27,520
current stories that are happening

2058
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,400
um

2059
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,840
and some other shows we're going to try

2060
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,760
to try to bring out as well including

2061
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,440
the the rogue planet podcast bringing

2062
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,199
that back so a couple things in the

2063
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:37,360
works no promises but uh you know it's

2064
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,480
always a fun fun juggling act trying to

2065
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:42,960
fit the ufo world and the world of all

2066
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,120
things strange into into real life when

2067
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,239
it's no longer my full-time career so i

2068
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,800
know that feeling man um i you know even

2069
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:53,840
doing this today i'm like

2070
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:57,520
my my my studio here is slowly getting

2071
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,640
taken down and i'm packing and like you

2072
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,719
said real life does get in the way but

2073
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,640
this is a topic that does bring a lot of

2074
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,800
people together you and i included we

2075
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,719
probably never would have met had it not

2076
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,560
been for this maybe we would have maybe

2077
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,719
we would have met at a blink 182 concert

2078
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,719
or less than j concert i don't know it's

2079
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,080
possible probably would have run into

2080
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,679
you at uh

2081
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,840
you know at the bar in a theater in new

2082
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,400
york or something that's you

2083
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,480
yeah yeah i tend to forget that aspect

2084
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:27,199
of my life yeah yeah right so we

2085
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,400
probably would have run into each other

2086
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,120
but no ufo's brought us together brother

2087
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,880
it always does as it does everyone in

2088
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,120
the chat as well so guys i want to thank

2089
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,600
everyone who tuned in today to listen to

2090
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,199
jason and i talk all about the phoenix

2091
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,280
lights i hope you enjoyed this kind of

2092
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,760
overview of the event it was super fun

2093
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,840
again going through the history of it

2094
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,040
and um

2095
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,880
and yeah jason

2096
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,400
where can we find everything you're up

2097
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,960
to my man before we get going here

2098
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,400
twitter's the best place i post

2099
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,400
everything there so at a centric right

2100
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,880
under my face there and uh yeah that's

2101
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,040
how you can find everything i do

2102
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,120
awesome brother i'm gonna do just a

2103
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:05,280
small recap with the audience here

2104
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:07,280
before um i

2105
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,480
let them go so um stick around backstage

2106
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,960
i'll chat with you in just a sec and

2107
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,480
thank you so much again for joining me

2108
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,000
on someone's thank you ryan and thank

2109
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:17,520
you everybody for listening

2110
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,510
guys again one of my favorite human

2111
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,440
beings jason mcclellan joining us to

2112
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,440
talk all about the phoenix lights i

2113
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,280
really hope you did enjoy this episode

2114
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:32,320
it was super fun to put together and i

2115
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,520
just want to tease guys what's going to

2116
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,520
be coming up next week on somewhere in

2117
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,520
the skies we're actually going to have

2118
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,560
the former nasa deputy administrator on

2119
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,880
the show and that is lori garver she's

2120
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,320
going to be talking about her new book

2121
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,120
escaping gravity uh this woman has

2122
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,800
single-handedly well i shouldn't say

2123
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,640
single-handedly with the work of a lot

2124
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,280
of other people at nasa have completely

2125
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,880
changed the game when it comes to space

2126
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:57,360
exploration and integrating private

2127
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:58,320
space

2128
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,080
into nasa you know she basically says it

2129
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,080
could take 10 years and billions of

2130
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:06,080
dollars to do what other private

2131
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,920
companies could do in half that time and

2132
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,239
half the money um so she has really

2133
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:13,120
shaken things up over there at nasa and

2134
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,400
has really

2135
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,280
uh catapulted us into a new

2136
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:20,239
uh a new world of space exploration and

2137
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:21,600
we have her to thank for that so she's

2138
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,800
going to be on the show to talk all

2139
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:25,199
about how that happened when it happened

2140
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,280
and what we can expect in the future of

2141
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:30,159
space exploration and from nasa as their

2142
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,920
amazing missions continue so

2143
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,440
with all that being said guys i want to

2144
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,280
thank those for the super chat super

2145
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:38,800
stickers for you guys sticking around

2146
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,679
here stay tuned for a lot more to come

2147
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,719
with somewhere in the skies in the

2148
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,960
future i will be in another country once

2149
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,400
you hear the other episodes so that's

2150
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,120
going to be a lot of fun as well so i

2151
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,239
will leave you with our motto as always

2152
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,840
keep your feet on the ground but never

2153
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,320
stop searching somewhere in the skies

2154
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,560
have a wonderful day morning night

2155
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:00,480
whatever it is guys and we'll talk soon

2156
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:06,790
hey guys ryan here the summer in the

2157
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,000
skies podcast is a labor of love every

2158
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:12,159
week and with that comes many different

2159
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,639
costs to keep the show running that's

2160
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,280
where our patreon campaign comes in you

2161
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,440
give what you think the show is worth

2162
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,760
there's different rewards available all

2163
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,679
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2164
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:26,239
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2165
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,120
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2166
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:31,600
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2167
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:34,880
back and chat all things ufos so i hope

2168
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,639
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2169
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,199
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